In the compiling of this little book as a contradiction of the theory of the present Astronomers I have made a special point of being as concise and plain as possible in putting forward my proofs, and to do so I have used simple language not indulging in astronomical terms. My intention is to place all my facts in a plain and simple method so that all may conceive what I wish to prove, as the use of unnecessary terms and huge wording would only tend to puzzle and fog one in reading, hence I hope that those who peruse this book will be able to follow any argument and agree with my conviction that the earth is a fixture and the sun does certainly move.
Thus begins this uncommon little tract, by which William Westfield hoped in vain to persuade the “Educational Authorities” to abandon the idea that the earth rotates, or indeed moves at all, in space. The crux of his argument is based on a simple experiment performed in his garden, in which he placed a tube pointed at the Pole Star.
He says of it:
I have this tube fixed in my garden, size 3 feet 6 in. by 3/4 in., directed to the fixed pole star, and I can view the star continually. Why? Because the star is fixed in the heavens and because the earth is a fixture also.
His tube would have covered only just over one degree of arc of the sky, so actually he should have observed a little movement of Polaris, but presumably he was not really looking for it. His disbelief in the earth's rotation did not wholly rest on this single experiment, in any case:
Here is another positive proof that the earth cannot rotate. In the Desert of Sahara, the length from east to west is 3,000 miles, its average breadth 900 miles, and its area 2,000,000 square miles. Rain falls on this desert at intervals only of five to ten or twenty years. If the earth rotates over 10,000,000 miles daily [corrected in errata to a mere 1,555,200 miles a day - still too large by a factor of about 60!], and in addition makes another movement round the orbit and sun yearly how can this large desert escape the rain from the heavens for years at a stretch, while other places receive the rain regularly? Why? It is because this desert is a fixture, and is not favoured by rain from the heavens, like other places, owing to geographical conditions.
As recent as June, 1917, it rained for about one hour on my garden, and only two and a half miles from here, north, south, east and west, there was no rain at all.
His garden should be located and marked with a blue plaque to record its important role in the history of thought.
I would not want to address each of the many fallacies expounded in Westfield's book, though it may be of interest that he thought that the rotation of the earth that he was arguing against was like the rolling of a ball, with the north and south poles exchanging places twice daily, but I do think his attempt to justify a belief in a flat earth is worthy of some attention:
As I contend that our earth is practically flat except for the hills, mountains and valleys, that no such thing as a globe exists, readers may wonder why the sun is not on view all over the world at one time. My answer is as illustrated. No 1 is the position of the sun at mid-day, in June, in England. At the same time it is midnight in New Zealand, and the mountain, hill or horizon as shown at C would easily prevent a person in New Zealand at D from viewing the sun when over England.
No 2 is the sun at New Zealand in mid-winter and a person in England at A is prevented from viewing the sun at New Zealand after it has travelled from viewing across the heavens to that country. This is due to the mountains, hills, towns, villages or horizon at B obstructing the view. All readers are aware that mountains and hills and horizon are common in all countries, and therefore it is these that easily hide the sun from our view, although the sun is even at a high altitude at that place.
(Yes, those horizons get everywhere, don't they?) On this basis Westfield calculates the sun to be only 2,500 miles above the earth. Curiously, he omits to say exactly how it must move in relation to the flat earth below it, in order to give the relative timing and orientation of sunrises and sunsets that are actually observed throughout the world. But to do so would presumably be a simple exercise, given his confident conclusion to this volume:
There are [...] large sums of money spent annually at our Observatories throughout England on astronomy based upon Astronomers' opinion and enormous distances given by them, such as the distance of the earth to the pole star and sun of millions of miles, whereas ordinary mathematics as taught at schools daily, absolutely prove the distance in both cases to be less than 10,000 miles.
With all due respect to astronomers' prophesies of future happenings as to comets, readers will see their judgment as to distances and earth rotation cannot be relied upon. May I ask, is it worth while keeping a large staff at our Observatories, or anyone working at a false and unreasonable theory, especially when our Government has now definitely decided on economy at their establishments?
A considerable sum of money can now be saved by greatly reducing the staff at observatories in this country, and undoubtedly the Government will be convinced that the proofs given in this small book is [sic] overwhelming against the enormous distances given by astronomers, and that the earth rotation theory is absolutely disproved.
I wonder if the current British Government, given its documented willingness to accept dodgy evidence is yet ready to listen?
Comments
wow thats a good book
I'm Muslim and many times Muslims disagreed the world and the scientists in some theories , and after few years (or more) they find that Muslims were right.
Example : for the new babies ,scientists said that meat forms before bones , where Islam disagreed that because the holey Q'uran says that bones forms before meat.
So,in Islam we the Muslims first refer to the Q'uran ,then we study it by science.
But in this case , we the Muslims are different with our opinions about this thing.
Thanks for reading my comment.
First of all, dumberst arguments ever. I could literally sit here for days giving REAL evidence why these theories are horrible.
Second, to the "Muslim" contributor. First off, being in the medical field I can tell you for a fact that Muslims weren't the only ones who have those thories. In fact, about half of the world's MD's believed that. As for the Q'uran and science. I noticed how you didn't mention the many, many, many other things the Q'uran has been 100% wrong about when dealing with science?
Summary: Both of you are wasting everyone's time. By all means, keep believing in what you believe in, that is your right (at least in America, not so much in many Muslim taught countries), but quit bothering the rest of us with your conspiraacy theories that are universally rejected by anyone with a 4th grade education.
YOU MAY B IN THE MEDICAL FIELD BUT YOU CERTAINLY DIDNT LEARN THE HOW TO RESPECT SOMEONES OPINION N BELIEFS. IM A NON MUSLIM BUT I FEEL KNOW THE OTHER PERSON SAID ABOUT QURAN IS TRUE, THAT DOESNT MAKE HER WRONG
AND YOUR COMMENT "(at least in America, not so much in many Muslim taught countries), " I FEEL YOU SHOULD ALSO B TAUGHT SOME MANNERS, RESPECT AND CULTURE.
JOY
Thank you for wasting my time. 17+3=?
see you in heaven
So Newton was a jerk.. gravity doesn't exist right? Or maybe it does, but the Earth is much bigger than the sun? or Maybe our friend was broken and needed some money for his garden, so he wrote this book.. maybe
Why get annoyed about someone who thinks the world is flat, if his arguments are so bad you have to like him?
I agree with you man, the earth is fixed and a clear evidence that will support your article, is that why in any branch of science they always assume that the rotation is zero to solve any problem? does not the rotation effect the credibility of the equation so why to set it zero and yet that means the earth does not rotate. isn't this convincing. see you yesterday
If the earth rotated how does a blimp photograph a ball game when it(the blimp) is stationary. How can the earth move at about 1000mph and we cannot feel the movement. How can airplanes fly west and get to their destinations. Wouldn't their destinations be rotating out of their way?. Do not believe everything you hear, read or learn.
Sometimes the comments here are considerably odder than the books.
You're not wrong there. For years this site did not have a commenting facility. What wonders did we miss?
REFUTATION THAT THE EARTH ROTATES By AHMED RAZA KHAN a muslim scholar (1856-1921)
The earth moves constantly about its own axis and also round the sun, which is stationary. This theory espoused by Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler and Galileo Galilei, gained popularity all over the world. The theory says that the speed of rotation of earth is 1036 miles per hour, i.e., 17.26 miles per minute i.e., 30,389 yards per minute, i.e., 506.4 yards per second. Against this theory, nobody could speak. It was A‘lahazrat who challenged it and declared:-
"The Islamic principle is that the sky and earth are stationary and the planets rotate. It is sun that moves round the earth; it is not earth that moves round the sun."
In order to substantiate it, A‘lahazrat put forward two-tier arguments. First, he quoted a number of verses from Holy Qur’an and Hadith, the translation of some of which is given below:
1. The movement of Sun and Moon is according to a course.
2. The sun and the moon are sailing within a circle.
3. The moon and the sun were besieged for you which are constantly moving.
[For detailed study, please see "Nuzool-i-Ayat-i-Furqan Besukoon-i-Zameen-o-Aasman" of A‘lahazrat written in 1339 A.H, published from Riza Academy, Bombay.]
In 1920, he presented his book "Fauz-i-Mubin Dar Radd-i-Harkat-i-Zamin", Published from Idara Sunni Dunia, Saudagran, Bareilly. This book contains 105 arguments, dozens of diagrams and lots of calculations in refuting the said theory. Out of 105, I am giving below gist of only five logical and axiomatic arguments which are quite easy and which can be understood by a man of average intelligence.
1. If a heavy stone is thrown up straight, it would fall on the same place from where it was thrown, whereas according to the theory of movement of earth, it must not happen. According to it, if the earth were moving towards east, the stone would fall in west because during the time it went up and came down, that place of earth from where the stone was thrown up, due to movement of earth, would slip away towards east. Suppose, the process of stone going up and coming down took a time of 5 seconds, then according to the said speed of movement of earth, that is, 506.4 yards per second, the earth would slip away towards east by 2532 yards i.e. about one and a half miles In other words, the stone must fall in the west of that place (place of throwing up the stone) at a distance of about one and a half miles but actually it would fall on the same place from where it was thrown up. It shows that the said theory of movement of Earth is wrong.
2. If two stones are thrown away at the same time and with the same power — one towards east and the other towards west, then what should happen according to the said theory of movement of earth, is that the stone going towards west must appear to be going very fast and that the stone going towards east very lazy. Suppose the power of throwing the stone is 19 yards within three seconds, then the respective stones would fall in the east and west at a distance of 19 yards only but according to the said theory, by the time the westward stone would cover a distance of 19 yards in three seconds, the place from where the stones were thrown, would slip away towards east by 1519 yards (506.4 x 3) In this way, it must fall at a distance of 1519+19 i.e. 1538 yards, whereas it would actually fall only at a distance of 19 yards. Similarly, the other stone going towards east must fall in the west at a distance of 1519-19 i.e. 1500 yards, whereas actually it would fall in the very east at a distance of 19 yards only. It shows that the said theory of Movement of Earth is wrong.
3. Suppose, from a tree, two birds fly with equal speed and for equal period, one of them goes towards east and the other towards west. Now if their flying speed is equal to the speed of movement of earth, that is, if they fly at a speed of 1036 miles per hour, then according to the said theory, bird going towards west must fly at a speed of 1036+1036 i.e. 2072 miles per hour (being its own speed added by the speed of movement of earth), while the bird going towards east would not be able to move even an inch as its speed after adjusting the speed of movement of earth (both being equal) would become zero. On the contrary, what would actually happen is that the bird going eastward would go in the east to a distance of 1036 miles during an hour and the bird going westward would go in the west at a distance of 1036 miles. It shows that the said theory of movement of Earth is wrong.
For a bird, the abnormal speed of flight of 1036 miles per hour has been assumed only to bring it parallel to the speed of movement of earth and simply to prove that according to the said theory, the bird flying towards east would not be able to cover any distance even if it comes abreast of a plane in the matter of speed and flies at a rate of 1036 miles per hour.
4. If it is intended to kill a bird appearing at a distance of 10 yards in the air from a particular place and suppose it takes two seconds in stringing the bow and shooting the arrow, then by the time the arrow is shot, that particular place would slip away within these two seconds at a distance of 1013 yards at a speed of 506.4 yards per second being the speed of movement of earth and thus the arrow can never reach the target, whereas it may be taken for granted that the arrow would hit the target. It shows that the theory of movement of Earth is wrong.
5. If a bird is sitting on a pillar near its nest just at a distance of one yard, even then it can never reach the nest, because in order to reach the nest, the bird shall have to fly — may it be for a second or part thereof. The fact is that, the bird can never surpass the speed of 1036 miles per hour, which is said to be the speed of movement of earth. It shows that the theory of Movement of the Earth is wrong.
Need you go yet for further arguments? Go on thinking over plane, gun, cannon, missile squad and so forth.
Thus, it's easy to come to the conclusion that a person who challenged the great scientists like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton etc, must have been a great scientist himself. What is required to disprove the theories of these scientists, A‘lahazrat has done ahead of it but sooner or later its credit will be bagged by someone else who will win the fight in the name of a scientist for, Ahmed Rida Khan is better known as a Muslim theologian rather than a scientist.
The above mentioned cases have no standing in the science of physics. It is very obvious that the author and Mr. Ahmad Rida had no knowledge in the field of physics, and if they did, it was not adequate.
This is Great Stuff. I think many of us would love to hear you go into depth to reasons why the earth is portrayed as spinning. Is it a giant conspiracy?
Also: does the sun spin around the earth? how do night and day work? and the seasons? The apparent movement of stars? Does the entire universe spin around the earth? How does The Foucault Pendulum work?
If the truth ever becomes manifestly obvious to the world what major outcomes do you predict? Mass conversion to Islam? the end of the pork industry?
If you know the truth it is your duty to pursue it!
1. You forgot to take in account the 1st Newton's laws of motion...(mostly inertia)
Last week I took a high speed train (150 mph) and I had to jump a couple of times while trying to get my get my backpack. So if this scholar was right my half a second jumps could have made me fly 38 yardas across the wagon! But I just jumped and landed more or less in the same place, having unstuck the backpack strap with a tug and got my magazine from it.
These comments are by far the oddest and funniest that I have ever come across!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!
That was fun.
to all the uneducated people that believe they are right, that the earth does not rotate do you not see that anything is relative to your frame of reference. what that means is that if you are at the ball game looking at the blimp hovering above you, to you from your frame of reference the blimp is stationary. to an observer in space the blimp would be moving at the speed the earth is turning. two people looking at the same object from a different frame of reference see two different things. if the blimp were to fly in the same direction as the earth rotates at a relative 10 mph, the observer on earth sees the blimp move at 10mph. the observer in space observes the blimp move at the speed the earth is rotating plus 10mph. the blimp moves at 10mph relative to the earth and its atmosphere, this is why blimps can fly east and west.
if you do not understand this please refrain from commenting and please do not pass on your wisdom about the earth being flat or not rotating to anyone.
Meanwhile, they claim there is an intellectual elite out there out to get them.
That's not the elite trying to conspire against you.. it's 82% (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_47/b3960108.htm) of the american population.
Surely the train cannot be moving for otherwise when the porter spilled my drink, it should have drenched the t-shirt of the nubile lass behind me rather than my pantaloons.
I love these comments. So wait a minute, I throw a stone up and it lands in the same place, yes you are right actually, everything they have taught me in school is wrong and you are right. What a great argument.
You know, I threw up a stone on an airplane once (it was rotating the earth like the earth rotates around the sun) and sure enough it landed in my hand. But I knew the plane was not moving and it was all an elaborate illusion to make me think the plane was really moving.
Do you people stop and think about what you are saying, or just say it? Where do you think the laws of gravity etc. come from?
Can I subscribe to the comments? I don't want to miss any! I am trying to decipher the battle over whether it was a muslim or a british dude who discovered that the Sun rotates around the Earth.
See further down the page for a link to the comment feed for this article.
Just to make it clear for everyone, the comment made by the muslim is not shared by muslims in the world.
he is probably a part of a muslim organization or subculture or whatever that translates the koran however they wish.
Anyway, im a muslim and i believe the earth rotates, and theres no contradiction to that in the koran
to all muslims who thinks sun rotates around earth,
I'm a muslim to and there is nothing in Quran that proves your theory, don't be stupid and linking Quran to your stupid ideas. the Quran shouldn't be linked to any scientific invention, dicovery for one simple reason : if you do believe in Quran you will know that it is fixed , it doesn't change, its the same as it was 1400 years ago and you cannot link something fixed to something that changes (science).
please be intellegient enough and don't link Quran to this crab.
excuse my english.
thanks
Mmmm, Crab
Anyway this is why I'm a Dudeist (and an ordained minister) we never get into this argumentative stuff
we take it easy man.
this is one of the reason why i keep searching for the best answer i believe in science
The Earth is not rotating around the sun, the sun is rotating around the earth, forget the Quran the Bible which is the 4000 years old says the same thing, they borrowed it. Give your heads a shake, why would so called science teach this well maybe to further their agenda of evolution, without it everything is rotating from the earth. But if cnn say its true, then its true right sheeple. oh by the way evolution is not science when has anything that darwin said been observable which is the meaning of science. evolution is a theory, and a dumbass uneducated one at that, you know what I'm saying is true...even the Bible calls evolutionist FOOLS are you a fool? Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart their is not God..so you must be a fool, dont be embarrassed about it, I mean when your mom or dad or child or friend die dont be a closet monkey climb out and say I will not sit in a service that mentions God. Dont bring your hairy ass into a church when you get married, dont visit one stay in your tree, you know what I mean..oh maybe you dont your a monkey arn't you.
Oh, so that's why the Copernican model caught on: CNN endorsed it. How insightful.
Well, given relative space the Earth orbiting the Sun and the Sun orbiting the Earth are the same thing... but the model does look a lot neater if you put the Sun in the middle and the planets on elliptical orbits around it.
To be pedantic for a moment, actually according to Einstein they aren't the same thing. Rotating frames of reference can't be substituted one for one another. The rest of the universe, and its gravitational effect, means the two things are distinguishable. Without this the twins paradox would not work, for one.
every one knows that the Earth rotates not the freakin Sun
The sun does rotate around its own axis, but I assume that's not what you mean. The author of this book thought the Earth was flat, so I don't think he was worried about the general consensus of opinion.
Assalam alaikum to all Muslims,
If you are a True Muslim dont Belive any stupid informations which againts the quran. The words of quran from only Allah not by any humans.
One days all of us we need to give answers in front of allah, Belive in Judjement day on that day every soul came to know the true. This world is just an a Exam hall, we all came here for the practical test one day we must know of result of this examination.
Excuse my english please.
good stuff, love the fact that muslims, believe as christians, that there is a judgment for all, maybe then will all great mysteries be solved. peace to you and your family.
What the...? Why is there an islamist-on-islamist flame war going on in this site? Aren't there message boards you guys can go to for this sort of thing?
Don't poke them, Francois. I'm trying to collect a full set of religions in the idiot comments category. The first Zoroastrian wins a prize!
don't opress religious peoples, they have people in powerful places...
also on the topic of the book, that cover is a really crappy color.
Holy Quran is the talking of God to all mankind. It is a valuable book to guide all humankind to rightness and NOT scientific book. No one can claim that he can understand the exact meaning of some verses of Quran. Here, it is the secret, there is a new understanding with the time and according to the level of each one.
Please note: any further comments left here that are off-topic and nothing to do with this book will be deleted. That includes any that are purely about Islam, whether for or against.
the earth rotation every year so bad book
No, the earth rotation every day so bad book. Or, the earth orbit sun every year so bad book. Indeed the earth not flat so bad book. And indupitably the author idiot so very bad book.
What language this we speak by the way?
Does it matter? it wont delay lunch, and the Russians are still producing Smirnoff. theres nothing to worry about, as neither argument will affect me.
If the Earth were stationary, and the sun rotated around it, the sun must have aliens forcing it to constantly shift it's path. Haven't you people ever considered that no matter where on Earth you are, the sun path pattern shifts from one direction (North) to the opposite direction (South) every six months? The ONLY way this can happen is if the Earth is rotating at an angle while circling the sun. A drunk monkey could figure that out.
Here is one this was never brought up. Since ever other religion has posted.
6) In possibly the oldest book of the Bible, Job asserted that God hung the earth on nothing (Job 26:7). The first scientist having this understanding would appear to be Copernicus around 1500.
7) The rotation of the earth was likely revealed in Job 38:12, where God asks of Job:
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
God asks Job if he has ever dictated the time of the morning or the location of the sunrise (dayspring). As soon as the sun is risen, its light will take hold of the ends of the earth in the sense that it touches all of the landscape, and the wicked are shaken out of it (the earth) in the sense that thieves, drunkards, adulterers, and others who practice their sins in darkness are forced to desist from these activities as they retreat from the light. Also, the beauties of the earth are revealed by the light, and its coloration is made to appear as that of a beautiful garment. Finally, the text asserts that God's command of the morning derives from His control of the earth, which is turned as clay to the seal. Hence, the suggestion is that God regulates the morning by rotating the earth as a potter rotates the clay. Yet ancient wisdom would have asserted that God regulated the morning by control of the Sun, and indeed, this is the perception of any uninformed mind.
i m a muslim and in our holy book QURAN it is written allready that earth doesnt moves. moon and sun and other planets moves around earth and middle of the earth there is KAHAN E KABA of muslims. there r many things written in our QURAN and all is true, no need to proof. everything u want to know just get it from QURAN.
I wouldn't pretend to know much about Islam, but not all muslims agree with you. http://www.islamawareness.net/Science/muslims_contributions.html
Anybody know where I can get a copy f this book?
It's quite a rare item, but copies do turn up from time to time. I would suggest creating a search on abe.com, so you get emailed when someone lists it.
If the earth turns the sextant never worked. If the earth is tilted on its axis at 27% then throw your compass away it won't work.
If the earth spins then the great leader Yahshua Ben Nun ( Joshua ) was wrong in Joshua 10:12-14.
How could the great prophet Isayah not be knocked on his fanny when the sun dial returned 10% in Isaiah 38:8? If the earth spins at 1036 MPH? This means that the earth stopped, reversed its spin,... then started up again with out anything moving out of its place. Get real people you have inherited nothing but lies just as the Hebrew prophet Yeremyah ( Jeremiah ) said in 16:19.
Was the prophet Habakkuk right in Chapter 3: 11.
No the earth is not flat The Hebrew Scriptures state it is a circle.
If the earth spins there is no way in hell that you could predict and eclipse be it solar or lunar, yet we are told each time an eclipse will take and how long it will last.
Have a great day.
Ha ha. Hilarious. So predicting eclipses doesn't involve calculations which take the rotation of the Earth into account? Astonishing!
I am muslim and to my understanding is the earth is round was already informed 1400 years ago in Surah Yassin at that time we believe that the world was flat.
i read further there is no mention for the earth to rotate and evolving around the sun floating in its course.
Just see the re entry of rockets cosmonouts to the earth it fall on the same place or maybe a little distance out. Why is that the roxckets heats doe not fall out furtherst.
Sometimes mens theory are out and we need to understand further.
All this theory was created by men and nothing ruled better than allah wisdom the darwinism theory was later found to be outdated and it was only the discovery of the dna that defy the theory the dna of monkey was not the same humankind.
The foundation of science whether it is from the christian muslim or jews was from the wisdom of allah.So what we want to know is the truth so yesterday at night time i stupidly stares at the stars above my house it showing the same position the noth star or the star of kiblat for muslim.Now i started to belive and I shall dwelve further to study to get the right answer.
What is the law of phisyic considering that the earth is the only inhibitat planets on the galaxy. Only allah knew the truth but god gave mankind brain to think so
it is the intelligent of human brain that will find the truth.
Normally I don’t care about grammar and orthography, but ‘the law of phisyic’ somehow made me laugh.
Strange.
The flat-earth-thing is also quite funny, considering that there had been at least 35 circumnavigations of the earth before the book was written…
And as for the earth that isn’t rotating: The idea of everything having to stop its movement at the moment of leaving the earths surface thus making the landing of swallows on a rotating planet awfully dangerous is obviously bloody stupid, but you could define a set of rules describing all the movements of every star and planet without any rotation of the earth.
You’d have to invent strange forces acting upon our beloved planet and the rest, the faraway objects in space would have to move with an extraordinarily high speed, compared to which the speed of light would be downright sluggish, the orbits would be meandering in quite confusing ways, but it would work.
Of course it would be much easier to calculate the movements of a rotating earth, orbiting around a sun, that itself is orbiting around some distant point in the middle of our galaxy and then to calculate what the universe would look like, seen from the surface of the earth, which might be considered as a hint that the idea of a rotating earth is not entirely stupid, but as there is no point which is marked by the gods or whatever as ‘without any doubt not moving’, you can define your bedroom as the centre of the universe, you just can’t ask anyone to calculate the next solar eclipse using that frame of reference.
Cheers,
Rob.
hello everyone, i have read all d comments on dis topic n as far as i understand it is absolutely rubbish 2 say dat earth is flat bcoz QURAN clearly mentions abt d shape of d earth n it is oval in shape looking like an ostrich egg. As far as rotation of earth is concerned i can say in simple words dat "earth does not rotate abt its own axis".And moreover we should not get ourselves into religious argument rather we should try 2 solve our diffrences by talking to each other in a polite and respectful manner.
To the owner of this site. Are you selling this book? I need to buy it. Are you selling it at all?
No, I'm not considering selling the book right now, sorry.
Ok that is fair play i will have to find this book elsewhere then. Just it's a rare book i need to buy it for a flat earther i know.
Just a question about the website.
I think this is a good website to document rare books, just i don't quite understand about it.
In every review of the books you have done (the owner of this site) you just laugh at the people who wrote them and call them 'quacks' or 'mad men'.
Was this website just made to laugh at people? That is not very nice.
Usually people who collect these rare books actually follow the teachings of the books yet you seem to be laughing at every book on this site.
Why do you collect these books Alfred if you think the people who wrote them are 'idiots'?
Do you just keep the books for money value?
Let's take this example of the book Does the Earth Rotate? NO! You obviously believe the earth is a globe so what is the point in buying a book you disagree with? Just to laugh at it?
Confusing!!!!!
Please explain. I am interested to know why you made this website. As i said it's a great little site with some rarities on, it's just a shame your reviews are so negative.
Do I really have to explain my sense of humour, or justify it to you? There's plenty of sites around where the blatherings of blithering idiots are taken seriously: this just isn't one of them.
This is MY site and I write stuff on it that reflects my own opinions and tastes. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. You can set up your own web site and wibble on in your own sweet way, but if you come whinging and complaining round here, you'll get short shrift.
Recent commenters: if you leave comments attacking or questioning me personally, from now on I shall be deleting them. Not because I care, but because it's boring, and other visitors to this site don't give a stuff what you think of me or my views.
Bear in mind that all comments are moderated, so you'll be wasting your energies in raising a protest. Round here, it's an absolute dictatorship.
I would just like to point out, all your 'reasons' that you think are refuting the earth spinning, are wrong, and right, at the same time.
Everything in this universe is relative.
Go and look it up.
If a bird is flying with or against the earths directional spin, it makes no difference, as we cannot perceive a difference. If we were looking from a 3rd perspective, out in space, then yes, one bird would not move, and one would be going twice as fast as the original flight speed.
This may seem tricky to get your head around, but it really isn't. And basically refutes nearly everything said about earth rotation.
Dear anonymous, thanks for your comment, but these birds that fly at 1000mph are a bit of a puzzle.
I love it Alfred, it has been good reading, and makes you think, especially how the World sees all this so differently, very Enlightening, and I only came here doing a search on Google looking for why the Earth rotates, because for the first time in my life I though hey man what makes it spin. and I am 60years old been into everything, and love science and Science fiction, and any good story, have read all religions with an open heart, and still have love for my fellow man. Loved it man, great, keep it up.
I have read several arguments on here, all of which sound convincing when presented. I almost bought into the idea that the earth actually does not rotate after reading these arguments. However, the one thing that stops me from being convinced is not my having been taught a different way growing up, but a thought that came to me while reading this page. Here is my thought. If I am in an airplane, and I toss a marble up into the air, the marble comes back down to my hand, it does not go flying backwards, being left behind by the plane hurtling forward at 500 to 600 mph (800 to 960 km/hr). It is because of things being geosynchronous. If someone has a counter argument to my idea, please tell me.
You are right that the marble doesn't fly backwards, however, this is nothing to do with geosynchronicity. It's simply the case that the marble is already travelling with the same forward velocity as the plane when you toss it upwards. For it to fly backwards would require it to change its velocity in that direction, in other words to accelerate, which it won't do in the absence of any backward force acting on it.
If the plane speeds up while the marble is in the air, then it will appear to travel backwards but in fact it will be continuing its previous forward motion. Exactly the same effects can be observed in a moving car or train. The fact that the plane is flying far above the earth is irrelevant in this instance.
There are lots of online resources to basic physics if you want to understand this stuff better. Here's one: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Introduction_to_physics
if the earth rotates why do we not observe it moving? why is it always still?
How come we don't feel the earth moving at 1,000 mph? And what about the Southern Hemisphere? Shouldn't all of us here in Australia be upside down? I can assure you that we are definitely right side up. And...if a plane is travelling 500 mph from London to Australia, shouldn't the trip be cut in half if the Earth is travelling 1,000 mph in the other direction? For every 500 miles you travel forwards, the Earth should be rotating 500 towards the plane, so the plane would actually cover a distance of 1,000 miles per hour. And what about the clouds? Is gravity that strong that it can hold wispy clouds aloft in perfect form when the Earth is rotating at such a speed? If it's that powerful would it even let a plane fly in any direction at all? I don't think you've really thought about this too much. You just want to ridicule an opposing opinion without really delving into the possibility that you may be wrong. And when was the last time you saw any vision from space showing the Earth rotating? And where was the Earth in the sky when they supposedly landed on the Moon?
http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_kids/AskKids/earthmove.shtml
Thank you, Alfred, for that information about what we're told about the Earth spinning. However, it's still hard to believe sometimes. 1,000 mph is very fast. And centrifugal force usually spins things outwards, as it does in a cream separator.
Anyway...I'm sure I won't win this argument. But, as you can see by the comments on this web-page, not everyone thinks the same, whatever the topic happens to be.
The Earth DOES rotate, but only with mechanical assistance and under very specific circumstances.
I went to a fairground last week and boarded a device called a "carousel". I paid a little money, sat on a wooden horse and a man pulled a lever. The whole world began to rotate around me! If you felt a bit wobbly the other day, this probably explains it.
Though I do wonder whether it's wise that a machine of such power should be entrusted to some guy on a fairground?
I can't believe in such a thing. I went out into my garden this afternoon and demonstrated that it was impossible.
Perhaps we should all verify science by personal experience. I reciently traveled to Alaska and can verify that the days are longer in Fairbanks during the summer months. This is because of the tilt of the Earth away from the Sun at the North Pole during the Summer months. As the Earth circumnavates the Sun to the other side of the Sun the Earths North Pole points the other direction and the Nights are long.
The facts of the solar system are very established. You can go to any obseritory and verify for yourself the system of the planets.
I wish every Muslim would do so and find out for themselves how out of touch their religion is with reality.
Not all scientists are Christian, But Christianity does not contradict Science.
The more we learn, the more we find out we don't know.
But the one thing I do know is that Muslims would do well to study Phisics and Astronomy.
Then they may become aware of the true nature of their religion.
I do not know if anyone mentioned this facts:
1. If you believe the Bible, Joshua did not command the earth to stand still. Think about it.
2. All satellite and rocket launches, their trajectories are figured on a fixed, stable earth platform...go figure.
3. There is a 'conspiracy' of nuts to change true science to make it fit their 'spiritual' paradigm.
Earth does not rotate.....scientist will some day accept the fact!
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