Wagner's account of her kidnapping and miraculous escape is a sort of fairy story for the soft of head.
Born into a wealthy family, she became a successful businesswoman in her own right with her Herbagere hydroponics and Menotti permanent wave products. In 1971, though, her life was changed utterly as she underwent the terrible ordeal which is the central subject of this book.
After receiving a message indicating that a beloved aunt had fallen ill, Wagner hurried to a local private hospital, where in an apparently unused ward she found herself at the mercy of a gang of vicious kidnappers:
... my head exploded as his massive fist smacked my left temple. Another strike slung me onto the hard floor and I crumpled on the far side of the bed.
Everything began unfolding like a sickening slow motion sequence. With my ears ringing and my consciousness already blurring, I lifted my head just as Sidekick's boot swung, knocking me against the wooden floor once more.
This level of violence seems rather over the top, especially given that the cunning plan against her requires that Wagner's eventual death by electrocution is to be certified - by a doctor in on the plot - as due to a heart attack. The bootmarks, bruises and broken teeth would look so suspicious at any post-mortem that they might as well have shot her up with a machine gun and saved themselves a lot of trouble. While she yet lived, however, the sadistic thugs had further indignities to inflict:
Not long before dark, Roger, the orderly who sometimes brought me food, came into my room with a curly black wig which was stretched over a Styrofoam wig head. I was totally perplexed.
... “Why should I wear such a hideous wig?”, I pleaded ...
She's not the only one perplexed. The orderly attempted to provide an explanation:
”... Dr Holmes. - h-h-he he wanted you to be wearing this wig when you are found.”
Dr. Holmes? Not THE Dr. Ronald Holmes - the most notorious psychiatrist in Texas?
No, not THE Dr. Ronald Holmes, actually, since as the copyright page tells us, “Dr. Ronald Holmes is a fictitious epithet”. The purpose of the wig, and why the gang could not have put it on after they had killed her, are mysteries that remain unexplained.
The devilish crooks wired Wagner up to a set of electrodes and passed 240 volts through her, a figure which they gloatingly repeated as though it were something exceptional. However, a mere 240 volts is quite enough to kill someone, so we must surely believe her when she says that she found herself in the next world:
Even though I seemed to be walking on billowing white ether, there was a firmness under my feet as I moved. Overhead was the most blue-hued sky I had ever seen. Every color, every sense, was magnified innumerable times. A brilliantly lit magnetic force propelled me without any effort on my part.
Thoughts assaulted my mind, as if my brain had become a silent, drawing sponge. Even without a morror, I realized that I was young again - beautiful, unwrinkled, with my hair raven-colored and floating around me in the heavenly atmosphere. I felt twenty again - young, uninhibited, wearing a deep purple robe.
Up in heaven, she met Jesus, who, just like his pictures, has a “beard and soft, brown curly hair”. He told her she can choose whether to stay in heaven or go back, and she, considering her “work on Earth is not done”, decided to return. Maybe she felt the world needed a new type of cold perm, or something.
Back on Earth her guards were understandably surprised to find her alive again, after THE Dr. Ronald Holmes had certified her dead, but instead of sensibly making sure they finish the job they left her alone so she could escape, just like in all those bad films. But Wagner, unlike James Bond, did not have to rely on her own strength and ingenuity alone. She had the advantage of an exceptional accomplice:
“I am the Lord your God,” he said. “I am here to help you, not to hurt you. Do not be afraid. Keep a spoon tonight when they bring your supper tray, and I will help you escape.”
Under instruction from Jesus, Wagner used the spoon as a screwdriver and removed one of the windows. Before she can escape however, God had another, weirder instruction.
“I want you to pray for David,” He said. “At this moment, the engines of his plane are stopping in the middle of the sky.”
David, it turns out, is the mastermind behind Wagner's abduction. God was punishing him by causing his plane to crash but Wagner had to do her bit and get some prayer in. It seems monstrous to me that God should insist that Wagner ask Him to forgive someone whose fate has already been determined, though I'm no theologian. But it is not only David for whom Wagner had to perform this arguably redundant ritual:
“... George!”, the Holy Spirit affirmed. “At this very moment, his car is on Highway 10, just a few miles from here, travelling ninety miles an hour and crashing into the back of a flatbed truck!”
With the Lord as her almighty minder, Wagner escaped and made her way to safety. She then discovered that a number of people she had trusted had conspired against her to rip off the assets of her company. Bafflingly, though, no criminal charges seem to have been brought against those responsible: instead she pursued a number of successful civil cases including a major suit against the hospital where she was held against her will.
This case she claims was adjudicated on the 6th March 1974, in the Harris County District Court, and she reproduces a document relating to it, with certain details obscured such as the full name of the hospital. Curiously, when I searched the court records online at idocket.com I was unable to locate it, and - perhaps even more oddly, considering the newsworthy nature of the entire bizarre story - so far I have not been able to find any online resource that mentions it, at all. Perhaps there has been some sort of conspiratorial cover-up. One would not want to doubt the word of someone who claims to get instructions directly from God.
Marvellously, through the wonder of the Internet, it is possible to hear Petti Wagner talking about her all this, complete with evocative musical accompaniment. Hallelujah!
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it never ceases to amaze me
Are you still alive?
Why did you not believe
I've read this book over and
I've read this book over and over again. Dr.Wagner's prior life and her accounts of her abduction and death at the hands of her perpetuators are all precisely true.
If you can't fully and completely believe you will never be the person God created you to be. You're missing an amazing life.
No, no, no. None of this is
No, no, no. None of this is even remotely true. God does not exist, he/she/it is a fairytale creature, and just because someone once said the Jesus is the son of God does not make it true. I'm really sorry, I genuinely want to respect people's faith, but when someone insists on perpetuating superstition, I kind of bristle. "The bible is true because it is the word of God" is probably the most easily falsified and refuted statement ever. The bible is what a small group of men decided that the word of God should be, because it best suited their theologies at the time. By alle means, by religious and be happy with it, but admit that it is your personal truth and not everybody else's.Peace and love, most sincerely meant. Cheers from Denmark.
I read this book. Was
It is amazing how just
The point, as so often in
The point, as so often in such matters, is that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. There's a big difference between a claim to have a 9-foot sunflower in ones garden and one of a 9-foot Bigfoot.
I personally would not be surprised if there were some truth in Wagner's account, but the more astonishing aspects of it need backing up by supporting facts.
There's a reason for scepticism. People do tell lies and they are often simply mistaken. It doesn't matter if they are talking about flowers in thie garden, but on bigger issues, it does.
I really feel sorry for
I really feel sorry for doubters like you! It is sceptics like you that despite documented proof that need a total renewing of the mind.
Documented proof? Please show
Documented proof? Please show me. Any source independent of Ms Wagner would be a start.
It sounds as if you have the
It sounds as if you have the misfortune of not having read, nor believed "the good book" either, eh? The eye witness reports of Christ and his story are the most documented events in human history. That speaks for itself. "Ye shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven lest ye become as little children." That Kingdom is a place of sincerity, kindness, gentleness and trust. I pray that you find your way in to that sanctuary and that you realize that precisely no human can overrule the opinion God wrote into the case of Jesus Christ when his death penalty was overruled by his resurrection. May you become a living witness, blessed and full of faith and love.
Even if I did believe in your
Even if I did believe in your "good" book (which, as you correctly deduce, I don't) it wouldn't make any difference to the credibility or otherwise of Petti Wagner's. It sounds as though you have the misfortune of not having any capacity for critical thinking.
Why can't it be true. Greed
Why can't it be true. Greed and jealousy , what you sow you reap, I believe it can come back on you what you do, my brotherinlaw and sister are stealing from my mother with dementia and no one wants to help , my jealous sister inlay has been colluding with them and is quite sick, brotherinlaw has a brain aneurysm , we have to forgive , the truth will come out, what a testimony , is it worth it to steal and lie, I don't think so cm
This book blessed me out of
Just as the bible contains
I believe it! We have a
thank you
I read this book and also
Praise the Lord ,He is
Merdre!
Merdre!
It's funny how god saves
A reason I believe true for
Well, was your cat rich?
Dear cynic, Your view is
Joyce, the word you are
Joyce, the word you are looking for is "sceptic", not cynic. The only evidence that the Bible is the word of God is that some people say it is. People say and believe all kinds of crazy stuff, so I don't think that's good enough. There are other religions than Christianity after all, and their adherents seem just as convinced, just as sincere, just as filled with spiritual insight. So, who can possibly say which is right? The simplest, and to me most sane answer, is that they are all equally wrong.
you need to believe what i
I am almost done with this
I wholeheartedly agree,
I wholeheartedly agree, especially about your cat!
This is the best book i have
Joyce - If god saves some
My husband and I are
I agree with all of this, but
Not disputing the fact that
I've gone off Yahsua. Also
I just finished reading this
I've just finished reading
Well, that is SIMPLY YOUR
If it's on the record, please
If it's on the record, please enlighten us further. I tried checking courthouse records and couldn't find anything relevant but what's online may be incomplete, of course.
It's not very convincing if someone is dubious of the truth of something, to claim that some other unnamed party corroborated it. You met this person and heard what they had to say, but you haven't presented the rest of us with anything other than vague hints.
You may have to check the
You may have to check the Houston courthouse. The hospital name was changed — I’m afraid to post the real name due to liability.
Surely there is no risk in
Surely there is no risk in stating the name of the hospital as long as you stick to recorded facts. If the Houston courthouse has records that back you up, speak out. And who, after all this time, are you afraid of?
(If you believe Petti Wagner's version, won't God protect you? Or is divine intervention only for wealthy heiresses?)
The name of the hospital was
The name of the hospital was “Rosewood” (either General or memorial — I can’t remember.) Anyway, as I told you earlier in the post, I had a friend of mine at Dorothy’s live in Houston Texas, it was an RN, I work at the hospital shortly before that happened. She was very familiar with that case. It didn’t deed of her anyway, as I told you earlier in a post, I had a friend of mine at Dorothy lived in Houston Texas, & was an RN who worked at the very hospital shortly before that happened. She was very familiar with that case. It did indeed occur. Like you, she was a skeptic. She said that she believed that people who had electric shock, frequently at those type of symptoms to wear the heart. And then start back. But she was knowledgeable enough to let me know that that PD Wagner just sue the hospital, and like you, she was a skeptic. She said that she believed that people who had electric shock, frequently at those type of symptoms to where the heart — then start back, but she was knowledgeable enough to let me know that that Petti Wagner did sue the hospital, and won. Also, as I have before, check at the courthouse in Houston Texas, Harris County specifically, and u can verify the lawsuit against the hospital
I agree w/ you Jen. I read
A few years ago a couple
I read this book some 15
I worked with Dr. Wagner to
It's been about a year since
I'm not a holy roller but I
> There is no way anyone can
> There is no way anyone can make someting up like this
Could you send me your address details? I have a bridge for sale at a bargain price that you might be interested in.
Really? There is no way
This book is amazing loved
Well, he wouldn't be God if
Well, he wouldn't be God if he couldn't do these things, would he? But could he give you the gift of critical thinking? (Or would that be too much?)
This book altered my life - I
It's no big surprise there
It is of public record in the
I heard Petti Wagner
an attempt by Google and
Yes, that's much more likely than that she made the whole thing up, isn't it? Nobody tells lies, do they? Especially not nice old ladies who want to sell their crazy book and their even crazier version of Christianity.
As for pictures of Barack Obama smoking, have you actually tried that search? If there's a conspiracy to hide those images, it's a pretty useless one. You have to be cunning enough to type his name (even if misspelt) and the word "smoking" into a search engine. Staggering.
I have read this book and
Just in case anyone cares.
Just in case anyone cares. http://obama-pictures.blogspot.com/2009/11/barack-obama-smoking.html
Thank You, Alfred!
For balance, anyone got any
For balance, anyone got any pics of Sarah Palin guzzling moonshine?
And I think Petti Wagner is
And I think Petti Wagner is real enough, though not her supposed experiences. She's been on radio and TV I understand. Recordings can be found online of her, too, as on this page: http://www.freeevangelism.com/cd_12.htm
Petti Wangner is not a
I read this years ago and
Somebody a few messages ago
The names in the book have
The names in the book have been changed, though in the past that's not deterred some people from taking legal action against writers of avowed fiction.
I'd dearly love to know what the documented facts are in this case, but no one seems able to produce any.
Murdered Heiress is not
Back in 1971 (about the time
That's a ridiculous analogy.
That's a ridiculous analogy. Irving's bio was a widely publicised work about very prominent people, many with deep pockets. Wagner's book isn't.
Do you know the real names of those supposedly portrayed in it? Does anyone? You can't libel someone if nobody can tell who they are.
Wasn't tryiing to analogize
IF?
IF?
I take that back. It was
Thought we were talking about
I just finished reading this
Some of us don't want help
Some of us don't want help with our unbelief, Donna. Some of us like it just as it is.
How do you know your heaven
My grandmother gave me a copy
Or alternatively the voice of
I was told about the book
"Who am I to judge another
"Who am I to judge another person?" - that's amazingly disingenuous, isn't it? Do you give money to everyone who asks for it? Do you believe every tall tale you are told? Would you believe a Muslim who claims that his religion is the only true one?
Faith is fine, until it's someone else's that's different from yours.
There is legitimate
So you can prove that she
when we look at sad movies we
I believe that we are not to
Actually that wasn't me,
Well, for those of you who
Isn't it amazing how no-one
Isn't it amazing how no-one who claims to have evidence for this story can ever produce it? Not even stuff that should be in the public domain such as newspaper or court reports. And I don't see how your supposedly being in the public eye stops you from telling us "more". It's not as though you are liable to incriminate yourself, is it?
Essentially, you are asking us to believe one unlikely tale unsupported by evidence because you can tell us another. Strangely, I remain to be convinced.
The book is awesome! Every
Wait are you saying that you
I have not read the book,
I too talked to this
I too talked to this wonderful lady. When my husband passed away in 1985 at a very young age. I called the phone number that was in her book. I left a message never thinking she would ever call me back. Early the next morning the phone ring at my mothers house where I was staying at the time and it was her. She talked to me answered my questions and prayed for me. I think they should make a movie of what she went through. I am a believer and I know God answers prayer and the wonderful things. In 1972 I had cancer and was only given six to eight months to live the Lord healed me . I was 28 at the time I am now 69 I know what God can do.
I was just going through my
I was just going through my very old files of keepsakes from years gone by. I came upon 3 letters from Petti and a thank you poem my husband wrote her. After she stayed in our home for a couple days, we were invited along with our small children to her home to stay while we visited Disney World. She was not able to be there, but trusted us to stay and drive her car while we visited Disney World. Her secretary handled all our needs. I still have the secretaries' name and phone number, however, it is almost 30 yrs. old . Petti was a wonderful person appearing to be generous and genuine. I have no reason to disbelieve her, however, there were times I did question the validity of her story, or at least parts of it. For instance, I only had to "google" the inventor of the cold wave perm and this is what it said in Wikipedia, "In 1938, Arnold F. Willatt invented the cold wave, the precursor to the modern perm. It used no machines and no heat." It really doesn't matter if the story were true or not. However, I do think the book would make an excellent movie. She talked often of doing it. The story was intriguing and extremely entertaining. Whether true or not, I do know that my God is well capable of doing all the miracles she portrayed in her book. I believe Petti is now with the Lord and they have worked out all the details by now, I'm sure.
In her book, Petti says that
In her book, Petti says that the name of her cold wave solutiion's company was Manotti. She does not claim to have invented the permanent wave solution by herself, but to have worked on it with a chemist. Here is a link to his patent application. His name was Menotti Del Zoppo. https://www.google.com/patents/US2426343
I have to admit that I find
I have to admit that I find it extremely easy to side with Alfred and other skeptics (if there are the opinions of a number represented here--or only one under different names??) on Dr. Wagner's story. I definitely had the same feelings of doubt as I read the book and lots of questions that I would like to have answered. The note about the real inventor of the cold wave perm definitely makes my desire to have the other questions answered even stronger. My doubts started with her explanation of everything she did when she was in college at age 14. I guess they didn't have a lot of TV to watch, or internet, back then, and if you weren't dating, you might have a lot of time for starting a beauty parlor, experimenting with chemicals, and other research. I guess there are genius personalities out there that can accomplish things like that, but I know that my head was aching trying to comprehend how she did so much--and how little sleep she must have lived on!
However, I am also inclined to believe the testimonies here of those who say they have met Dr. Wagner in person and experienced an amazing presence of the Holy Spirit. I have begun to experience some of that myself--after decades of church services where the "presence of the Lord" was sought after and people attempted to kind of "invoke" it with wonderful worship songs, etc. All that to say that I've been a part of something that was supposedly the "presence of the Lord" and I have also experienced something that I have to say is different from anything else I have experienced. I have had my heart changed in ways that I never knew were possible during those times--bitterness gone, brokenness wiped away--now it's there, now it's not. There is something to be found that is called the "presence of the Lord" or the "presence of the Holy Spirit" that is very real and very life-changing. I believe in taxi-drivers that start crying as they are driving. I believe in a God who knocks people to the ground. I believe in a God who speaks in an audible voice to people (though I know He also speaks in ideas and pictures and words that come to the mind). I also believe in a God who heals. Dr. Petti's healings do seem to be a lot for one person, and extremely amazing--unbelievably so, but that does not automatically make them false. The phrase "stranger than fiction" has been around a long time, I believe. Why for the heiress and not for the concentration camp victims, or my dear friend who just died of cancer and left a loving wife and 5 adoring children without husband and father? I really wish I knew! I've definitely got a lot of questions for my God.
But I also feel Him drawing me to believe Him for the wild things that He can do that are beyond what I have yet experienced. I would prefer to be neither dupe nor eternal skeptic. I don't believe God asks us to lay our minds aside, but I do believe that He likes to blow them away whenever He can. (And that seems to have something to do with faith. Still learning, though).
The one thing that made me start considering that Dr Petti's story might be real, was her description of heaven. She talked about "rosy light". I, who am generally not a huge fan of pink, have also experienced that "rosy light" in a vision I had. (Now, perhaps, Alfred, you would be ready to lock me up with Dr. Petti's tormentors). But all I can say is that I DID see it. I have been learning to pay more attention to pictures that come to mind--esp. when I am talking with God. It is not often that color is very apparent in pictures that come into my mind. There have been other occasions, and then the colors were very vivid. And this one was one of those cases. The air had a rosy hue to it. It was kind of strange because it didn't have a source like that of a sunset or anything. It seemed to be the color of the air.
In light of that vision, my curiosity was very piqued when I ran across a video talking about the color "drunk tank pink" that has supposedly been used in prisons to calm down prisoners. The video was promoting a book by the same title that apparently did some sort of psychological study on the color. I have yet to read more on the subject. But I thought it interesting to find that information in light of the color that I had seen in my vision.
There was also a song written by a Christian Artist called Annie Herring that I learned from a children's album she made. There is a line that always stood out to me because it seems to specific and yet so strangely not having really anything to do with Scripture: "There's a color I love most, angel's wings of pure crystal rose".
So first Annie's song, then my vision, then Drunk Tank pink, and now Dr. Petti's "rosy hue". I'm at the very least very curious. I'm also wondering if anyone else out there has had interesting connections with the color pink. (I reiterate that I am NOT a "pink person" at all!)
As for how Jesus appeared to Dr. Petti, I have no problem believing that He appears in varied forms to different people depending on what they are familiar with, what they "know" of Him, what they think of Him, what He is wanting to communicate to them, and likely what they are able to stand. When Stephen was stoned and saw a vision of "Jesus at the right hand of the Father", it seems that he saw someone very recognizable to him, while the figure with eyes of fire, white hair, feet of burnished bronze and a sword coming out of His mouth had to clarify to John on Patmos that He was "the First and the Last, the Living One, though He was dead".
Final verdict on Dr. Petti? I guess I have no reason to doubt that she ministers with a mighty power of the Holy Spirit, from the personal, first hand testimonies given here. And if that is real, I'm not sure how her story could NOT be--unbelievable as it sounds. But I still have the nagging questions about the details that people are having so much difficulty tracking down.
A good read, a page turner.
A good read, a page turner. Understanding the way God works will always be a miracle.
I have read some of the comments left by individuals. I do pray for those who do not believe, that they to have an encounter with our Heavenly Father and realise people do not claim to have experienced Gods supernatural power at a whim.
To make sure your computer is
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I went to church with this
I went to church with this lady who this happened to in Houston. It is all true. The hospital was I believe on Westheimer and was called Rosewood. Don't know if it is still there. She loved the Lord very much. The church was called Lakewood.
It indeed was Rosewood......
It indeed was Rosewood......
Google Daisy Olive Peet. You
Google Daisy Olive Peet. You find information of her father's company, I did extensive search years ago, since I liked the book and wanted to know what company was she heiress of. It was Golgate-Palmolive. Wikipedia: In 1928, Palmolive-Peet bought the Colgate Company to create the Colgate-Palmolive-Peet Company. In 1953 "Peet" was dropped from the title, ...
It's a real story. they have a family information here well documented: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=…
I am actually interested what happened to the son, who was part of this what they did to her? I mean how can you get away with murder? Well, not my business.
More info of her and her
More info of her and her children:https://www.myheritage.fi/research/collection-90100/kooste-julkaistuist…
I believe that this book is a
I believe that this book is a mixture of fact and fiction. Petti Wagner was certainly a real person, and she had some businesses and some of the events may have happened, but some fundamental aspects of the story are clearly untrue:
1) There was no honorary degree from University of Florida. The wording is inconsistent with academic usage, and there is no honorary degree listed for Petti Wagner here: http://fora.aa.ufl.edu/docs//21//Honorary%20Degrees.pdf. (which is a complete list of all honorary degrees going back to 1909).
2) Artesia Hall scandal. This didn't happen until May 1971, and was not publicly known until June 1973, yet the book implies that "Dr Holmes" was already notorious at the time of the book's events in March 1971.
3) The death certificate in the book is a blatant forgery. It does not use a 1971 format, on form 25c. Instead it is on a form 27c, which is the form available when the book was published. This is easy to validate by searching the Internet for real Texas death certificates from 1971.
4) The letter from Department of Justice is undated and is missing a document reference, which must be included on all US government letters. If not an outright forgery, important information is redacted.
5) The plane crash was on the wrong date. The book says that "David" was killed in a plane crash at 1:00am on 19 March 1971. The actual crash was on 28 March 1971 at 7:09pm and this was the only matching crash in Texas during March. This can be validated at: http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/index.aspx Other details match the book, such as the cause of the crash, the location of the crash, and the involvement with "David" in a health club. However, the health club (President and First Lady Health Spa) was not a listed company, which contradicts the book's assertion that he was involved in a stock pump and dump scheme.
These issues are not minor and go to the heart of the story, especially with the plane crash, since the book said that Petti Wagner had to pray for "David" as his plane was crashing down.
The hospital did have a lawsuit by Petti Wagner, and was called Rosewood General Hospital. It has been closed since 2000.
I just finished this book and
I just finished this book and loved it. Check it out. This lady truly knew Jesus.
Not that it makes a lot of
Not that it makes a lot of difference but Petti was not descended from the Peet Soap family. She was descended from John Peet who arrived in the "New World" in 1635 from Duffield, Derbyshire, England. Daisy Olive "Petti" Peet was born in Alden, Hardin County, Iowa on October 30, 1915
Met the lady years ago
Met the lady years ago working on a television program she was on to talk about her book and her experience. She is a real person and the account is true. I still have the book. She passed away in 1990. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144820644/olive-wagner