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Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon, but neither you nor I were there. I told you the truth about everything else. Earths earliest ages, the fall of man, Serpent Seed, the Great Pyramids. the Antedeluvian destruction, to mention but a few. and I have barely scratched the surface. would you prefer it, if I told you a lie. ? and what would I gain by it seeing that you have absolutely no idea who I am. Would you like to know what that was, that exploded in Tunguska Siberia in 1908,? I can tell you that too, if you like.

Those investigating pockets of light that you are refering to might well be God checking things over here, before all hell breaks loose here on Planet Earth again. Just the same as the warning God gave the Antedeluvian world before the earth was shifted on it's axis, by those scientific people, throwing the polar regions into the direct sun and causing a deluge which destroyed that whole civilization.

I don't know about the "Hot Chics" or the hot babes, but I would be careful not to get too close to one of them. they might look good on the outside, but who knows what might be on the inside. your heart might not be able to cope with it, and you might die of heart failure anyway LOL. But at the same time, the question that often comes to mind, is, if any advanced civilization has found the elixer of life etc, and they are technologically advanced enough to travel across light years of space, then why would they want to come here? Planet Earth is so insignificant in comparison to the countless billions of planetary systems in the universe. There are more planets out there then there are grains of sand on the earth. so what would the attraction be ? unless they just happend to come upon our planet by pure chance. that is the mystery of all these UFO's people are seing. unless they are not mechanical devices at all, but in fact, investigating "pockets of light" coming from a different diamention into ours. sometimes moving slowly, and sometime making unbelievably fast ninety degree turns and instantly dissapearing. but then again, what are they looking for?

If I happened to be present at the event of an alien contact I would probably check to see if any of the alien babes were hot, ask if they had the secret to eternal youth, cheap, clean electricity and ask to see what their latest video games were. They would inform me that they didn't become interstellar travelers by chasing girls, vanity or having meaningless fun and give me Ayn Rand's latest piece of jaunty fiction (Or Mao's Little Red Book, whatever) at which point I would loose interest. If they said "We are here to usher you into the age of Aquarius and turn you into a being of pure light. The reason the earth is screwed up isn't human error and free will but just because of astronomy." I would run for the hills and find a cave to hide in till they left. No heart attacks.

You might be right, if you are refereing to the gravity of a large planet and the relative size of us humans. I just don't think there is any way of knowing exactly what God has out there, in terms of size. There defineately are civilizations out there, but God has put them so far from each-other, and from our reach, for the simple reason that we could never be emotionally prepared to face another civilization, that might be a million years or more ahead of us. or a million years behind us. I think the human race would die of heart failure, or shock. Just imagine it?

isn't it a strange thing, in this highly educated and scientific world that we live in, people are still so narrow minded and almost completely blind, in terms of the reality of their own existence. The possibility of any previous civilizations on this earth is almost considered madness. In our present civilizations quest to go to Mars, in the hope of finding life there, little do they realise that people have been there before, way back in the remote past. What would the particular reason be, that we are the only ones on Earth that ever became an advanced civilization.? given the fact that present man has an average lifespan of three score and ten years. so what does he really know.? God must look down and laugh at us. Do people really think, that this great Creator of life, only created once here on Earth.? and what about other Planets that might be a thousand times bigger than Earth?. There can be no doubt, that there must be hundreds of thousands of civilizations on various size planets in the universe, and Planet Earth is just one of them. GH Pember was obviously a guy that saw a lot more than most people realise.

It's true that people tend to harp on a particular subject. But regardless of what subject people start to discuss, it somehow tends to come out to a discussion on the mystery of life, and the present reality of man on Earth. As the astro-physicist, Steven Hawkins once said, Who are we? and why are we here? this is a subject that still remains a mystery, and a subject that is a very interesting one. As we all know, there are many different explanations about it, as well as many different religeous philosophies trying to explain it. But one thing we do know, "SantMatt" never created it, "Confusious" never created it, "Budda" never created it, and neither did the Egyptian God "Ra" have anything to do with it. but we are still faced with the preverbial question, where did it come from? Did it evolve? if it did evolve, then what did it evolve from?, because there was a time that substance or matter did not exist at all. It takes thousands of hours, and hundreds of Engineers, to design and build a Jumbo jet, which incidently use Benouli's Principle, to create what is refered to as Lift. This fact can be clearly seen in the design of a birds wing. So if someone had to design and build a Jumbo Jet, then who designed and made the bird, which is infineitely more complicated. Jehovah and the Bible, so far has been regarded as the ultimate explanation as to the orrigins of life, and this is clearly reflected in the one thousand or more different denominational beliefs revoving around this same Bible. However,most tend to bind themselves to a dogmatic, or legalistic stance, which they believe is required by God, in order for them to receive any understanding as to how or why God created them. in most cases, no further insight is entered into, in terms of the huge amount of information that might be written between the lines,and this is the problem that often gives rise to what is refered to as "Silly Christianity." If someone is going to believe what the Bible says, then let him acknowledge this. There is nowhere in the Bible, that suggests that God created the Earth in six literal days, as even some very educated people believe, because it is clearly written that a day to God, is "as" a thousand years, and a thousand years is "as" a day. It does not say that a day "is" a thousand years. .This clearly signifying that it could well be a million years to God, or a billion years to God, or perhaps a hundred billion years in the making. which I personally believe it did take to bring the universe and life into existence. this being from a human standpoint, because God does not exist in time. How it happened, remains the greatest mystery.

Come now,you guys. Enough has been said about Earth's Earliest Ages, and the mysteries of the bible to last a lifetime. you cannot expect everyone to agree with it. so CHANGE THE SUBJECT NOW.

The Christians are gone, Here comes Hare Krishna, the reprobate.

This comments thread is giving me a headache. Will the Christians kindly shove off?

Something interesting OKLO: AN UNAPPRECIATED COSMIC PHENOMENON "In 1972, French scientists discovered that several natural concentrations of uranium ore had become critical and flared up some "2 billion" years ago at Oklo, Gabon. The concentration and configuration of the natural uranium and surrounding materials at that time had been just right to sustain fission. The Oklo Mines. Source: In fact, the analysis of the nuclear waste in the burned rocks demonstrated that plutonium had also been created. This implies that natural breeder reactors are also possible, raising the possibility of hitherto unappreciated, long-lived heat sources deep in the earth, in the other planets, and inside some of the stars. Don't worry that the Oklo phenomenon might occur today on the earth's surface. The concentration of fissionable U-235 has fallen considerably in the last 2 billion years due to its radioactive decay. But, deep inside the earth and other astronomical bodies, nuclear criticality might still be possible due to different pressures, densities, etc. In a stimulating and generally overlooked paper in Eos, J.M. Herndon proffers four important natural phenomena that may involve natural fission reactors. Geomagnetic reversals. In the deep earth, where pressures and densities are high, natural nuclear reactors may generate intermittent bursts of heat -- just as they did at Oklo -- and thereby cause the earth's dynamo to falter and reverse. Planetary heating. Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune emit much more energy than they receive from the sun. Natural nuclear reactors could be the reason. Stellar thermonuclear ignition. Astronomers assume that the high temperatures required to ignite the thermonuclear reactions powering stars come from gravitational collapse, but this source does not seem adequate to some scientists. Nuclear fission reactors could ignite stars just as they do H-bombs. Missing matter. Natural nuclear reactors are finicky. There may be many star-sized, non-luminous objects out there that were never ignited and that we cannot see through our telescopes. Science Frontiers Online Evidence at Mohenjo-Daro When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon.The cities were wiped out entirely. While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

I understand what you are saying, and God does reveal different things to different people, but God cannot reaveal something that is contrary to His own Word, because after all He wrote it. A person that has no representation in God, will have absolutely no interest in it anyway. But there are also a lot of people that do have representation in God, but don't realise it, untill The Great Creator starts to tune in to that gene of God that they are born with. God might even bring a person right to his death-bed before he see's it. In other-words, a Salmon was born a Salmon, and a see snake, was born a see snake. all God does is cast the net. If you are a part of God, then you never did have a beginning, and you can no more go lost than God can, but God has to get His own kind to see it. He also deals with every individual in different ways, according to their personalities and gifts that they were born with. No single individual on earth, can say who they are. only God knows that. and if a person happens to be arrogant, well let me tell you, when God is finished with him, he sure won't have any interest in arrogance.

did you know, that omongst all the different beliefs and different philosophies there has to be a truth. A counterfeit dollar has to be someone's attempt to impersonate, or copy the orriginal. otherwise it cannot be regarded as a coutrfeit. God would not be a just God if He did not give us the truth. But the problem comes when a person cannot believe it, and God cannot show it to a person that cannot believe it. but at the same time God is obligated to show it to a person that has a serious interest in the mysteries that are hidden between the lines of the word of God in it's face value. What I have written about the book of Genesis, is what God has shown me via spiritual revelation, and that is how God will show it to anyone. It's not a question of being arrogantly proud, and ofcours there is no way of producing evedence to what God reveales to a person. what God does for someone, He has to do the exact same for anyone, if He is approached on the same basis. But one thing is true, not everyone has the ability to put it into words. we are all different in that respect. If a person cannot believe the Bible, then he is going to latch onto some other intelectual explanation about the orrigins of Man etc. and he is going to believe that, it doesn't mean that he is a bad person, but he never will know, if he really has the truth of it, and will live his whole life in constant defence of some belief that he is not sure of himself, That is why the Bible brings about so many arguments amongst people.

Standing somewhere in the Shadows, you will find Jesus, and you will know Him by the nail scars in His hands” This is the opening verse of a song that is commonly sung amongst Christians around the world. Though touching as it may sound, and perhaps harmless and joyful in its presentation. A decision nevertheless needs to be made, as to the reality of God as a person in our present grace dispensation. this being in terms of Christians being under the delusion, that Jesus can perhaps be found standing in a shadow somewhere, with nail scars in His hands. It was however a possibility that could have existed, had we been anywhere near the land of Israel, two thousand years ago, where Jesus could have perhaps been found standing out of the direct Middle East sunshine. This possibility no longer existing, by reason of the fact that, Jehovah God, having completed His atonement requirement, no longer exists in a flesh and blood format, and therefore can no longer be known after the flesh, but exists only as the Holy Spirit, in His present Grace dispensation of time. This also being underscored by the fact that Jesus Christ, never was in any way lost in the first place, and does not, at any time need to be found by anyone. Therefore, if any finding is going to be done, it will be done by that Great Eagle, searching for His own kind that went missing, before the foundation of the Earth, and destined to be made manifest at the end time. Unless of course, some individual happens to be standing in a shadow somewhere, suggesting that he is in fact Jesus of Nazareth. but on closer inspection, revealing that no such nail scars exist in his hands, and obviously not Jesus of Nazareth after all, and the only burden that he would like to relieve one of, would be a small object of about three inches square, commonly referred to as a wallet. Or perhaps some individual with robes down to his feet, standing in a shadow somewhere, with the “sweetest” of voices emanating from him, in his attempt to advertize a sale or promotion, whereby the relatives of all humanity can be relieved from eternal damnation at a discounted price. Futhermore The Great Jehovah God, and His marvelous savior Characteristic, or attribute, not only made Himself known to His creation, by the written Word, commonly known as the Holy Bible. but also undertook to express Himself in His great natural creations, as a representation in type, of the whole plan of redemption for His elected few, to marvel and wonder at. His great natural creations freely given by Himself, as a gift to each of His elected few, that have lived and died, recognizing their day and age they were given to see. The first of these great manifestations, being the infinity of the universe that surrounds us, which in itself is an expression of the fact, that an awe inspiring Creator, is the author of the most mindboggling intangible reality called life. This great universe, that surrounds us, with its mathematical perfection, and staggering beauty of its constellations, is but a small portion that is visible to us, via the physicality of our human existence on Planet Earth. The great constellations starting with Virgo, the Virgin, as a representation of Christ’s first coming, born of a virgin, through Immaculate Conception. and ending with the Constellation of Leo, as a representation of Christ’s second coming, to Israel as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. God, having laid the foundations, in His creation, of a Planetary Constellation representing each and every manifested son of God that ever existed in His great thinking. This would not only apply to the present Adamic civilization on Planet Earth, but as well as all Pre-Adamic life cycles of creation on Planet Earth, and elsewhere in the infinity of the universe, which he created for His own purpose. This fact being a humbling reality, in terms of this great awe inspiring God, being so mindful of His own, who are seemingly so insignificant in comparison. The second of these masterful manifestations, being the great pyramid in Egypt. These pyramids, having been purposed by God, to be designed and built by His faithful servant Enoch, who built them as a reflection on Earth, in solid stone, of the constellation of stars in the universe, directly above them. His great plan of redemption is thereby expressed, in terms of the mathematical numeric’s of the pyramid base, which culminates to a single capstone at the top of the pyramid, this being a representation of Christ, crowned as the sovereign God over His elected bride, down through the ages. and is clearly reflected, in the most accurate construction, ever erected by man, on planet Earth. Though this capstone, being a symbolic representation of Christ, was nevertheless rejected during the pyramids construction, and was never placed on the great pyramid in Egypt, as a completion of this whole masterpiece . This capstone being rejected for some mathematical reason in its construction, and perhaps unbeknown to its builders at the time , was foreshadowing Christ’s rejection by His own ,almost three thousand years later. God having purposed this capstone to be rejected, by reason of “stone”, which was used in its construction, being a solid substance, that could not in any way, substitute for God’s own flesh and blood, that would be required to die as a permanent atonement for Adams fallen race. Christ himself, having paid the ultimate price, would one day be crowned as the lion of the tribe of Judah. This being symbolically represented by the lion of the constellation of Leo, that stands guard near the great pyramid in Egypt, as a majestic masterpiece, cut from solid stone, as it stares into eternity, as the long suffering weather beaten icon of God, patiently waiting for that glorious hour that will finally fulfill its purpose. It is however an unfortunate fact, that this great masterpiece, now being commonly referred to as the Sphinx, was later re-designed and carved by the Egyptian civilization, after the antediluvian destruction, to represent an Egyptian Pharaoh’s head, on a lion’s body. the pharaoh’s head, now replacing the original lions head, being completely out of proportion to the rest of the lion’s body. The lions body being still in its original form, as it once stood. The great pyramid in Egypt, and the staggering mathematical perfection of its construction, must have no doubt been an awesome sight to behold. with its finely fitted and highly polished casing stones, as it glistened in the sunlight, testifying of the greatness of God, as an inspiration to the ingenuity of man, and the years of toil it must have taken in its construction. This great pyramid, being positioned exactly on the four cardinal points of the compass, together with its highly polished casing stones, casted no shadow on the ground at the time, regardless of the position of the everyday sun around it. The marvelous redemption plan of God expressed in solid stone, in His compassion and love for His own elected few. Though, the great pyramid’s construction took place in a scientifically advanced age , which was ultimately destroyed by the antediluvian destruction. These pyramids, nevertheless still stand as a challenge to eternity, and can still be seen today, with the absence of the capstone on the great pyramid, clearly conspicuous, as it stands on the Giza Plateau in Cairo Egypt. It is also interesting to note, that man in his present technological and scientific advancement, still lack the capabilities, to in any way reproduce, or remove these great monuments of God, even if they were compelled to. This being, by reason of our present technological advancements, being nowhere near the technological level of the age in which these monuments were constructed, and the method of their construction , still remain a mystery to man today. The avenue of scientific knowledge, which was presented to Eve by Satan, via the Serpent, was excepted, according to her own gullible disposition, as an alternative to an existence of simplicity and innocence before God. By Michael A Wilson Winona Minnesota USA

The book is by Alexander Hyslop

it is interesting to read peoples views on life and religion. it makes one realise that we are all kind of different. I don't think there is any harm in it. There are groups of people around the USA that believe in that particular Serpent seed doctrine, and they follow a man by the name of William Branham, who I believe expounded on the book of genesis, and pointed that Serpent seed thing out. It sounds very much by the way you write, and your understanding, that you must be one of these followers. However, there is a book that I can recomend that you read. it goes by the name of, The two Babylons, by Hyslop. I'm not sure what his innitials are,but the book is often refered to as Hyslops two babylons. It is a very interesting book explaining the orrigins of a lot of different beliefs that are around today.

Sir, God never did punished His creation for anything that is beyond a persons controll. and He did not cause His creation to fall. He is not an unjust God. but it is true to say that He did "Allow" His creation to fall. that is a completely different story. but He did that in order to express the redemptive saviour attribute that was in Him, as the all encompassing , self existing, intrinsic creator. You have to remember Sir, that we are not infinite. and we live in a world that is full of injustice from a natural stand point, and a world that is full of questionable things,in terms of what we would consider a perfect world ,or what we would consider the perfect existence here on earth, that God intended. God had a certain requirement back there in the beginning, when Man fell, and he "did" fall Sir. that is why His creation gets old and dies. God never did pre -program Eve to be hoodwinked by the Serpent. But God, being a just God, new that His creation could never meet His requirement on a permanent basis. He knew that His creation could not regenerate himself back to it's orriginal innocent existence. That is why God , being a just God, and a God that was mindfull of you, took on the form of flesh two thousand years back. Contrary to popular belief, God did not send some other person here, two thousand years back to die for the human race. God did not die by representation Sir. it was Jehovah God Himself that took on the form of flesh. it was Jehovah God Himself, that paid His own blood atonement reqiurement, thereby setting you free Sir, In other-words, you are free to go Sir, because , He became you, that you might become Him. Your ticket to eternal life has been paid for Sir. If there is one thing that you have to do, to add to that, then he died in vain. don't tell me he is an unjust God. It's a shocking thing to imagine, how the great creator, could be so mindfull of you and I, that He was prepared to allow His own creation to despise and reject Him, in His physical expression, two thousand years back, and submit Himself to the brutality of the Roman Empire, so that you and I Sir, don't have to face the finality of death, which was braught about , by the fall of Adams race. Humanity could not wish for a better God.

I don't know about flying spagetti monsters, but i'm sure there are a few indescribable things flying around in the regions of the lost. Imagine the "horrific thing" waiting for you there in that dimension. You cannot say that God hasn't bestowed any grace upon you. he kept your heart beating while you were cursing Him, didn't He? it's better to Praise God, Alfred, as apposed to cursing Him. there is a lot of eternal benefits in it, and cursing God cannot do your health any good. and i'm sure you value your health.

why does it not make sense sir?, you do have a free will, but because God knows the beginning from the end, He knows exactly what decisions you are going to make. The decisions you make in life will reflect the nature that is in you, and you cannot be what you are not. God has made a representation of it in nature. An Eagle is born an Eagle, and a Crow is born a Crow. An Eagle is a heavenly bird. the higher he flies, the further he can see, and no other bird is presurised to follow him. in other-words, they will both act out the charracteristics of what they are, according to the nature of their species. In the sciptures it says, ( How a man thinks in his heart, so "is" he.) If you think it's a lot of fun cursing God, then you probably won't have too trouble figureing out what side of the fence you were born on, and what, or who, your representation was back there in the beginning. You also shouldn't have too much trouble figureing out whether God has any justification for you, in terms of the price He paid for the redemption of the sons of God. ( Adams Line) Whatever your representation was in the beginning sir, you are going to act accordingly in life. Take a look at a Hybrid plant sir, very succesfull and magestic in life, but look at that same plant when its dead. it's dead and hybrid, and never did have the ability to propagate itself back to the orriginal. If it's still fun cursing God, then you shouldn't be too dissapointed on your death-bed one day. because after-all, a parden is not a parden unless it's accepted as a parden, and Gods own blood atonement is either for you, or it's not for you. What kind are you sir? I guess you know what I mean.

There is no point in cursing God Sir, The whole life cycle of creation that has taken place here on Earth, from beggining to end, whether it's good or bad, is to bring about a certain outcome that God has planned for His creation. God is no respecter of any particular person, in terms of how succesfull in life he may be. he put man here on Earth as a "free moral agent" giving him a free will, to make his own decisions. That is why it is written that whatever you sew in life, that is what you are going to reap. God is always there to bail you out when you make a wrong decision. it's also written. "Draw near unto Me and I will draw near unto you." it doesn't serve any purpose trying to curse God, why don't you do the "opposite" to what Satan tells you to do. you will soon find out, that God has a better purpose for you, and you will soon find out why God made you a beneficiary of life in the first place. because "How, by taking thought, can you add one inch to your stature."?

Come now Alfred, I don't believe you mean that. God has an apointed time for any person, and His enemy, Satan is going to get you, the moment you go out of Gods provided way. that doesn't neccesary mean some guy is going to shoot you, that is just the way it happened with John Lennon. Satan knows exactly how to destroy a person in various ways and God knows how to clean a person up, and put him to service. You are right about Joseph Stalin, he was nothing more than a deveous underhand murderer, in my opinion he was worse than Adolf Hitler. but you have to understand one thing, in terms of what Hitler and Stalin were actually purposed for. Did you know that God raised these two individuals to bring about a specific purpose, and that purpose was to force Israel back to Their ancient homeland under National forces. Did the scriptures not say that Israel would return.? The question that a lot of people ask, is why did the Jews suffer like that? and why the Haulocast on the Jewish Nation in particular. the answer is in the fact that they rejected and crucified their Mesaih, they just could not see their God veiled behind human flesh. and if anyone wants to dissagree with that, let me refresh your memory, about what happened two thousand years back. and here is the exact reason. when Pontious Pilate asked the jews, "what shall I do with this innocent Man"? the Jews responded by saying, Crucify Him, Crucify Him, let His blood be upon us, and our children, and our childrens children. and for two thousand years that is exactly what happened to them, they were finally expelled from their homeland in AD 71, by the Roman General, Titus.and were scattered into every Nation. They rejected their God, so God could not get to them via Spiritual revelation, so He had to use national forces to fulfill scripture. Stalin And Hitler murdered millions, thats right. but neither of them had any representation in God in the first place, so you can just imagine where they are now.

well I don't know whether I can agree with what you say, because God is the Creator, and He is not mocked, regardless of what anyone says about Him. God is not an unforgiving God, and He defineately has the ability to wink at spiritual ignorance. But it is also a very silly thing to directly challenge God, or be contemptious toward Him. John Lennon, of the Beatles did that, and out the window went any grace towards him that every man has, resulting in Satan making a target of him. you simply cannot win. Secondly, there is no dis-order in the universe, you have to realise that there was a time when no substance or matter existed, in any form what so ever. The Charracteristics that were in God, could not be expressed, if no substance was spoken into existence, and He, existed alone. You and I were an attribute in His great thinking, this required an Earth where He could bring His charracteristics into maifestation. This has nothing to do with Athiesm. Whether you support athiesm or not, doesn't make any difference, any one who doesn't believe in a Creator, needs to go outside on a dark night and look up into the univers, something that had a beggining could not have produced itself. Thirdly,Scientific intellegence was never God's original intension, when He produced Man from the dust of the Earth. God placed them here on Earth to live in a timeless innocent existence, " they knew not, that they were naked" untill the Serpent deceived the woman via Satans inspiration, Lucifer was cast down to earth where he found that Serpent, and it was via this Highest form in the creation that Satan accomplished a scientific Eden of his own, in opposition to God. Scientific intelegence became "Joint Heir" with the hybridization of Adams race. and that is why there are grave yards just down the road from you, "incase you haven't noticed." Just look at the technology of the world today. it never was the will of God, One can only marvell at Satans succes. I will leave it to your imagination what his end is going to be, in terms of God allowing Einstein and them how to split the Atom, and it won't be the first time that God's creation on Planet Earth has completely anialated itself. Fact is fact, and reality is reality, you are getting older, and you are going to die. being an atheist, or supporting atheism, is the most futile thing imaginable.

your observation about (,.... ) is correct. I am a British immigrant. I don't profess to be too wise, but I don't believe there can be any fault in the Bible. It's a spiritual book, and I believe God reveales it to whoever he will. That conflict between God and Satan, is a battle that is now taking place in the mind of man. Faith against reason, or belief against disbelief, the one that gets the upper hand is the one you feed the most. Everything that exists was braught into existence By allmighty God, whether it be natural or spiritual. God had to have a reason, don't you think? there can't be any doubt that Satan was created by God. or how did he get here? Satan is not in a direct conflict with God in a military sense, his conflict with God is deception towards Gods creation. he knows his end is comming and he is going around like a wounded Lion seeking whom he may devour. in other-words he is going to take, by deception, as many souls as he can down with him. and he has had a marvelous success. perhaps you have a better explanation as to why he exists, but the way I have explained it, is the only way that I understand it.

Sir I understand what you are saying, and it is a very interesting subject, but it must have a logical answer from a humanistic point. As you say, satan is far more intellegent than any human, and he knows he cannot defeat God. but remember, he has "replaced" God through deception,..but he can never be litterally Jehovah. I hope you see what I am saying. It has to be considered in terms of Satan being a reality. he does exist, and he was created by God,..in other-words he had a beggining and will have an end. but God never did have a beggining. Our human make-up, which includes the various senses of our bodies, is the thing that connects us to the reality of life, on a round ball, in the middle of nowhere,...it's a boggling thaught, but it's a fact. Any person in his right mind has to aknowledge that we are here, and our existense here is not just a dream. But the question is, why are we here? and how did we get here? and why do we get old and die? ... there is no death in God. if you think about it, if there was no such thing as Satan, questiones like this would not exist. Humans have a spiritual identity, that is bound by a physical form or format, in which the one cannot exist without the other. It is this physical form that is begotten via the sperm and the egg, according to God's law of reproduction. but your existence in this particular form, has a beggining, and an end. But if you were an eternal thought in God, way back before the foundation of our universe, then "you" never did have a beginning, and can never have an end. God expressed us into a physical form here on earth to be tried and tested. It is only in this physical form that a person can feel pain, sorrow and anguish etc. God allowed man to fall, and God had to have an opposition. This being in order to express The great attributes or charracteristics that were in Him. It's not that God created evil,.....God created lucifer on a free moral agent basis, but God must have known according to His foreknowledge, that lucifer would become His enemy. He could not be an omnicient God if He did not know that. The great battle that took place between God and Lucifer,..took place in a supernatural dimension. this whole event which probably went on for billions of years is something far to complicated for us insignificant humans to understand. But one thing we do know, is that Satan was ultimately cast down to Earth, where he began his diabolical quest to design an intelectual and scientific age, and age of disbeief in God.....this is exactly how he has been apposing his enemy, God. God's intension for His orriginal creation was an innocent "timeless" existence , which had no such thing as death. But at the same time, we have to aknowledge, that God allowed it to happen for His own devine purpose, and this is what a lot of people don't understand. When God braught the animal kingdom into existence, starting with the lowest form, to the highest form, He knew..., as an omnicient God, that Satan would find that creation,...(the Highest form) Satan knew that his seed would mix with Eve,........This is where 99% of Ministers around the world start getting exposed.....(I hope you are reading between the lines, Sir) It's not the adultry that God could not forgive,.....It's the defiling of the orriginal blood line ,that God could not forgive, outside of a "Blood atonement" The blood line was defiled, which braught about the death process, so God required the "Blood" of an innocent animal as an atonement. God created lucifer to serve His own purpose, in terms of the circumstances that would come upon the human race, as a result of Satans deception, combined with the free will of Adams fallen race. God required innocent blood as a temporary atonement, untill He Himself became a permanent atonement to His fallen race, by taking on the form of flesh via a created sperm and egg, and was born from a virgin woman and not via a sex act. I hope you see it Sir.

So your saying that God created Evil and Satan so he could have something to save, comfort, create, and heal? I doubt many theologians would agree that god created evil because such a theory clashes with the idea that god is all good or omnibenevolent. In any case you seem to have missed my point. I'll try to summarize it in a few easy steps: (1) If Satan knows that god will defeat him he will not oppose god. (2) Satan knows as much as you do and quite alot more. Furthermore he is almost certainly more intelligent than you or any other human. (3) Therefore his opposition to god must be because he actually has quite a good chance of defeating god. (4) Therefore all that business of "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not" is simply propaganda and not actually certain to happen or predestined at all. (5) Therefore its just as reasonable to support hell as to support heaven. Possibly more reasonable because hell doesn't constantly brag that its going to win ad nausium. Indeed, if I had to pick between two teams, one telling me constantly its certain to win and the other not saying anything I would probably pick the smugly silent. Really its just like expecting Satan to pick both boxes in Newcomb's paradox, except if he picks both boxes he doesn't just loose money, the Predictor stabs him repeatedly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb's_paradox

You are absolutely right sir, The reason why most Bible believers never seem to discuss how Satan could ever hope to succeed in overcomming his omnipotent adversary, Namely ( Jehovah Elohim)... or the Sovereign singular identity, self existing intrinsic Being, that encompasses all fathomless eterntity. ....is because Satan has never been ignorant enough to believe it in the first place. Satan, who was a creation of God, and was equal to God, except he could not create,.. but instead ultimately, ended up being cast down to earth. where he began to pervert what God had already created. Ofcourse we all understand, that the realm or diamention that this all took place, is far beyond any humans understanding. It is important to understand, that in this Great self existing Being, were many different attributes, or perhaps better described as charracteristics. like A Saviour, A Healer, A Comforter, a Creator, etc. all these different attributes of God required a manifestation. In other-words He could not be a Saviour, if there was nothing to be saved. He could not be a Healer, if there was no sickness, He could not be a Comforter, if no comforting was required, He could not be a Creator if there was no creation. All that exists in the present reality as we as humans know it,...was for the purpose of God to express the Charracteristics of Himself,..or the charracteristics that were in Him. These Characteristic requiring a form or a format, or a set of surcumstanses, whereby the same singular identity, All Mighty God, would actively appear in the ordering of events, under His own Divine Authority, to Redeem His Elect from Adams Fallen Race, thereby taking Himself a Bride, that was formally trapped by representation ,with no way out, and no hope, but for that particular attribute. The Saving Grace, of All Mighty God. God had to create the devil (satan), otherwise no opposition was available, this opposition being in terms of satan's influence on the"free will" God had Given His orriginal creation in Eden. God created the "Serpent" the very instrument that satan used.....so it can therefore be said that God allowed man to fall, by his own free will, and that is why God was duty bound to redeem him, according to the "Grace Attribute" that was in Him as the Sovereign God. He, Himself, ultimately took on the form of flesh, and died as a Human ...a kinsman, and thereby expressing that saviour attribute that was in Him. Satan knows that he can never defeat God. in fact he trembles at the very thought of God, and the thought of his ultimate end. The only thing he does, is pervert what god has created. this also being in terms of him doing his best through religeous deception, and the five senses of the body to drag as many souls as he can with him. That is why it is written,.... all who's name is not written in the lambs Book of Life. before the foundation of the earth, will be deceived by Him and his diabolical religeous organization. Satan can never defeat God ,..and he knows it.

No real argument intended, we can all be wrong in things in life, and I doubt that you are my opponent. You probably don't have to go to a mental institution to see Satan, all you need to do is go to your nearest Night Club, and believe me, you will see him in action for yourself,....just stand there and watch the guys look upon the woman and eachother in lust just the same as the Serpent looked upon Eve. After all he has to look after his own Eden that he has aquired for himself via his "diabolical' biological understanding of the principals of life. it has taken him six thousand years to aquire this in opposition to God. physical beauty breeding with physical beautiful, in Satan's own sexual Eden. no wonder God is going to destroy it again. Don't tell me he does not exist, because I know better than that,........Please don't send him my regards when you are there ,..because he don't like "me"

Well, ( to Just another Christian) It's very interesting what you say, and it is no doubt an enormous and very contraversial subject. there is a very big difference between us humans and an animal, as I mentioned previously about the fall of man in the beggining via "The Serpent" one has to consider where this Serpent came from in the first place. There was a great evolution, but God's great evolution could not have been a random developement of life that was free to go in any uncontrolled direction,....Evolution went along the predestination and foreknowledge of God, where every seed will bring forth of it's "kind" who's life is within itself, ( and God saw that it was Good) animals evolved via an adaptational process dictated by the climatic changes and circumstances on Earth. This being perhaps braught about by the continental plates drifting together and drifting apart and changing the climate. There is no possibility of one specie changing into another specie via a process of time. Now here is the great mystery, in terms of the theory of us humans evolving from some animal that once swung from tree to tree somewhere. God does not indwell an animal, humans were created in the image of God, the spiritual part of us. but somewhere along the line that orriginal creation was interfered with, and there is animal in us now, as well as the fact that we are now subject to death. .....so what happened? the animalistic brutality, and the sexual depravity that is in man, did not come from God. and could only have come via that link that Man has been searching for. The Serpent. hence this great scientific and technological age that we now live in, which was joint heirs with consequent hybridization of the human race. There are two natures in the human race now, and it was not so in the beginning. It's also very clear in the book of genesis, that there was pre Adamic civilizations on Earth , and Gods enemy was involved there too. The Nasca lines are also a very clear indication of very advanced civilizations that were here ....perhaps a million years ago, or who knows. Eric Von Daniken saw it very clearly in his book "chariets of the Gods", though I dissagree with him that people from another planet came here. it lookes very much like the remaines or the foundations of ancient landing strips superimposed one on top of the other, ..some have been pushed up by mantle and crust activity in the earth. there is very little techtonic activity there and very dry, which is probably why they can still be seen. I don't know why "Alfred Armstrong" say's that the Bible contradicts itself, I have been around for the best part of fifty years and I still can't find a contradiction in it. There cannot be the slightest fault or contradiction in the Word of God, if there is, Satan would have found it a long time back already, and he would have a right to Eternal Life, and God would be obligated to give it to him, as well as the fact that God would have to aknowledge defeat by His enemy Satan, and we know that is not going to happen. So Alfred Armstrong, you are wrong. and I am right.